Curse

johnnylange · Aug 05, 2005, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Nizzim

its gonna suck probably....just taking a guess

this idea would be better

Suck? Have you seen the latest screen shots and the trailer! I forgot to mention in my last post that this idea brings nothing new to the table.

InvaderGIR · Aug 05, 2005, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by johnnylange

Suck? Have you seen the latest screen shots and the trailer! I forgot to mention in my last post that this idea brings nothing new to the table.

As far as I think I know, the word "replayability" has no ties with the word "new." This isn't meant in any way, shape, or form to add new content to the game, but rather, enhance pre-existing content. Rather than using Diablo 2 as an example, let's use Super Mario World for the SNES (forgive me if you didn't play it). Upon completition of the Special Stages (the ultra secret hidden stages), it completely changes the pre-existing stages. I don't know about other players, but even though I beat those stages a million times before the Special Stage change, I still went back to see what is different. No new content has been added. The stages were the same. The same old blocks were still there, but there were some different enemies. All that happened was the gameplay was enhanced. This, in a sense, gives the player a feeling of accomplishment and the change throughout the entire game is the reward. Forgive me if this was a bad example.

As for Sorrow's Furnace and Grenth's Footprint, I'm sorry and sad to say that while it may be fresh for the end of this summer, by winter time, it'd become rather old. We'd be asking for more and more stuff. After all, what is hot in the summer is cold in the winter. So rather than spending and excrutiating brain cells to think up new areas, why not add more replayability in pre-existing areas? It's a great solution and it'd work even better while more areas are being pumped out, like Sorrow's Furnace. This way, Arena.Net can give us PvE'ers an almost endless supply of replayability.

Chrisby Pwns · Aug 06, 2005, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Yes, It's dumb that after you beat the game, theres nothing. Good Idea, but i don't think that is the best thing that Anet could do to give the "beaten the game" characters a challenge. Personally, i think there should be a reward of 20 skill points for beating the game. That way, after you have beaten the game, you can go get all those skills you havent unlocked yet. I know on my N/Me i still have only 15 necro skills to unlock, but its a pain in the butt leveling to get those skill points.

Teh Azman · Aug 06, 2005, 12:13 AM // 00:13

Amazing and well written idea.

/signed

Weezer_Blue · Aug 06, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Wow! What a great idea! Give people who played for a very long time, or rather, just Ebayed a ton of gold, a game where they have all imaginable advantages.

... This goes right up there on my "worst ideas... ever" list.

johnnylange · Aug 06, 2005, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by InvaderGIR

As far as I think I know, the word "replayability" has no ties with the word "new." This isn't meant in any way, shape, or form to add new content to the game, but rather, enhance pre-existing content. Rather than using Diablo 2 as an example, let's use Super Mario World for the SNES (forgive me if you didn't play it). Upon completition of the Special Stages (the ultra secret hidden stages), it completely changes the pre-existing stages. I don't know about other players, but even though I beat those stages a million times before the Special Stage change, I still went back to see what is different. No new content has been added. The stages were the same. The same old blocks were still there, but there were some different enemies. All that happened was the gameplay was enhanced. This, in a sense, gives the player a feeling of accomplishment and the change throughout the entire game is the reward. Forgive me if this was a bad example.

As for Sorrow's Furnace and Grenth's Footprint, I'm sorry and sad to say that while it may be fresh for the end of this summer, by winter time, it'd become rather old. We'd be asking for more and more stuff. After all, what is hot in the summer is cold in the winter. So rather than spending and excrutiating brain cells to think up new areas, why not add more replayability in pre-existing areas? It's a great solution and it'd work even better while more areas are being pumped out, like Sorrow's Furnace. This way, Arena.Net can give us PvE'ers an almost endless supply of replayability.

Off topic: Ah, Super Mario Bros on SNES...brings back good memories!

I remember going to my friends house to play some times since I never owned a SNES... Glad I have ZNes to play the games I never got a chance to back then!

Back on topic: Ok, I see where you're coming from now. What if these Legendary Districts were for Hardcore characters instead? You got special districts, replayability, and serious challenge! If you're character dies you'd have to make a new of course. Maybe separate storage, special wepons, armor, and items as well?

Thomasuwoo · Aug 06, 2005, 01:21 AM // 01:21

I quite like the idea. It's be a great way for Anet to put some not nessesarily more powerful wepaons but better/differnt looking ones.
Heck i've gotten to the last mission with most of my characters but I've never even attempted it because there always seems to be somethign more rewarding to do.
Something like this would be great.

InvaderGIR · Aug 06, 2005, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue

Wow! What a great idea! Give people who played for a very long time, or rather, just Ebayed a ton of gold, a game where they have all imaginable advantages.

... This goes right up there on my "worst ideas... ever" list.

I wouldn't exactly say the enemies would have monstrous advantages over the players. After all, if I'm correct, the enemies still cannot go over 12 for any attribute. All that they'll have in terms of advantage would be increased health. While this may sound unfair, keep in mind this is indeed a challenge. Look at areas such as Mineral Springs. You sure as heck don't need eBay'ed items for there. We (well, most of us) have something these mobs don't and that's actual intelligence and strategy.

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Back on topic: Ok, I see where you're coming from now. What if these Legendary Districts were for Hardcore characters instead? You got special districts, replayability, and serious challenge! If you're character dies you'd have to make a new of course. Maybe separate storage, special wepons, armor, and items as well?

Well, not sure if we'd go that far.

After all, it's still up to Arena.Net whether or not they want to implement this (and how if they do).

Krank · Aug 06, 2005, 01:47 AM // 01:47

/signed to the max

(pff you see that ? i signed that to death)

johnnylange · Aug 06, 2005, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by InvaderGIR

Well, not sure if we'd go that far.

After all, it's still up to Arena.Net whether or not they want to implement this (and how if they do).

Well this is true.

Hardcore would be an extreme step in challenge...however this would pretty much eliminate runners ha ha!

Also, I agree with Thomasuwoo...better looking armor. The monk's have only a few diffrent styles.

DrSLUGFly · Aug 06, 2005, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by InvaderGIR

The builds of these mobs can mimick recent teams that have won the Hall of Heroes to provide extra challenge.[/list]

This is a brilliant idea, 8 member teams of level 25 or level 20 mob bosses, who take after the builds of the highest ranking teams or most frequent wins in HoH... cool

Weezer_Blue · Aug 06, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by InvaderGIR

I wouldn't exactly say the enemies would have monstrous advantages over the players. After all, if I'm correct, the enemies still cannot go over 12 for any attribute. All that they'll have in terms of advantage would be increased health. While this may sound unfair, keep in mind this is indeed a challenge. Look at areas such as Mineral Springs. You sure as heck don't need eBay'ed items for there. We (well, most of us) have something these mobs don't and that's actual intelligence and strategy.

Well, not sure if we'd go that far.

After all, it's still up to Arena.Net whether or not they want to implement this (and how if they do).

I meant the players. Not the monsters.

-.-* sigh

Lampshade · Aug 06, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Soo basicly re-play the entire game but everything is lvl 20 and uses Elites and sweet drops?

raven214 · Aug 06, 2005, 03:20 AM // 03:20

/signed

Awesome idea! I'd love to see something like this. And it seems to me it wouldn't be that hard to add, while giving a lot in return.

ArtofBreaking · Aug 06, 2005, 03:36 AM // 03:36

Wow I must say sounds awesome!!

/Signed

(whats this /signed thing mean?? Srry off topic)

InvaderGIR · Aug 06, 2005, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue

I meant the players. Not the monsters.

-.-* sigh

I think I got what ya meant. Sorry if I misread you the first time.

aB- · Aug 06, 2005, 04:27 AM // 04:27

Some problem I forsee with this:

Characters that rely on physical damage would become obsolete. The damage dealt to an enemy depends on your weapon, attributes and skills, yes, but also on the level difference. Warriors and Rangers would be completely outleveled by the monsters, making their attacks do less damage. This would promote more caster type characters, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it would be slightly unfair to the non-caster character types.

After completing the difficulty, players will once again become bored and ask for more. This is only a temporary solution to a problem, as once this difficulty is completed more will be wanted.

Coming back to the same areas and killing the same monsters, only more difficult might be slightly too repetetive for the liking of some. Although you mentioned adding new monsters, that would probably be difficult to implement considering you have to create the monster, give it skills in conjunction with other types of monsters in the area, and balance it out.

In addition, this seems similar to Diablo 2 and the nightmare and hell dificulty settings.

Overall, however, I think this is a very good idea. The problems I have stated are merely topics to keep in mind with this idea, and while I very much like the idea, I am giving constructive criticism in an attempt to help.

DrSLUGFly · Aug 06, 2005, 04:57 AM // 04:57

diablo 2 was far from the first game to include difficulty settings. Nor was it the first to make it so you had to finish one mode to access the next.

I wish people would stop comparing this to d2.

Kyten · Aug 06, 2005, 05:05 AM // 05:05

with legendary districts i think that some creatures should drop "legendary" (possibly called platinum while selling?) items only the bosses would hold these and you would see it on them (i recall seeing a reed stalker holding a chakram so i guess they can make them do that with anything) legendary items can only be gained from legendary districts and also these legendary items would of course be very good and as an added bonus look different from the normal version for example instead of a fire wand u simply see their hand on fire for warrior items they could just make it designed different or make their arm into it like their hand is replaced with an axe head etc. but that would look pretty wierd so im not sure for warriors for some necro items i guess a skull or osmething instead i dont knwo necro stuff an added note for fire wand (example) if wielding a legendary fire staff it envelopes your whole arm (mist for water lighning for air, roots? or turned stone for earth) and thats all i can think of on legendary items (remember only legendary bosses)
ps sorry for all the typos im in a rush

Brother Mhenlo · Aug 06, 2005, 05:06 AM // 05:06

something like that is going to have to happen for me to continue with guild wars...until it does unfortunatly you people (5-7 a day it seems) wont be pm-ing me saying hey i saw you in the forums! becuase i wont be there...i never thought id get bored but today i left my guild and i went out doing some quests and i thought to myself why am i doing this, its not fun theres nothing else to do, i dont kno what happened but ive just lost the excitement of playing, i beat all missions went to every city got everything i wanted got the cool fissure armor and i just dont kno what else to do...i will now take a undetermined break from guild wars and everything having to do with guild wars

but fantastic idea!